Took it to car wash, now it runs rough

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My '87 GMC Suburban Sierra Classic with the TBI 350 and 700R4 has been a great truck. But last fall it began running rough and stalling out every time it rained. Since I live in Seattle, this was a big problem.

At first I didn't know what the problem was, so I took it to a shop where they seem to have a lot of customers with trucks with Chevy 350's. They ran some diagnostics on it and told me they couldn't find anything wrong, but from my description they suspected water in the fuel. I figured rainwater or condensation was somehow getting into the tank. The tank might have pinholes, or the rubber seal around the sending unit was bad, for example. Someone had cut a hole in the deck above the sending unit, and when I filled up the tank, if the carpet wasn't in, you could smell gasoline inside the cabin. Also, crap would fall onto the sending unit, which I figured couldn't be good for it.

To get it running again, I'd put a bottle of Heet (isopropyl alcohol) in the tank to solubilize the water in the gasoline, and a couple of hours later it'd be fine. Then it would rain again, and I'd put in another bottle of Heet. It got so I'd run out and put in a bottle of Heet while it was raining.

This got old, and I was buying a lot of Heet, so when the weather turned warm this summer I put in a new tank and new fuel lines. I replaced the filler hose, return hose, and sending unit with all new parts. However, the tank I removed didn't seem very old, like it had been replaced, and I couldn't find any holes in it. The sending unit seal looked good. The hose clamps seemed tight.

While the tank was out, I also welded up the hole in the deck above the sending unit.

I finished yesterday, and drove the Suburban across town without incident. When I got home, I took it to the car wash near my house. I washed it pretty thoroughly. Maybe a little too thoroughly. After I finished, it wouldn't start. Now it runs rough again, just like before.

The thing is, if it's water, how is the water getting into the tank? Is this going to start happening again in the fall?

Chuck
Seattle
 
well to start with you have to determine if you really have water in the tank, water sinks to the bottom. So after letting the truck sit for a couple of hours can you disconnect a fuel line hose from the bottom and let a sample of the fuel run into a clear container. You should be able to see whether you have water.
The other thought is ignition related. Did anybody ever try hosing down the engine to see if that duplicates the problem you have when raining. Would have thought the shop would have tried that.
 
Here's some more clues. Last night I put another bottle of Heet in it, and this morning it started and ran perfectly.

Since there hasn't been any rain for days, the water must have come from the sprayer at the car wash. But the tank is entirely sealed except for the filler. Could it be getting in through the cap?

I tried hosing down the engine myself and the water doesn't seem to affect it.
 
If the cap is the only remaining old part, replace it. Have you checked the evaporative canister to see if water is getting into it and then sucked into the engine?
 
The cap looks fine from the outside, but I'm sure it's been dropped on pavement a million times and the venting mechanism may be broken inside or something. I'll just replace it.

Where is the evaporative canister located and what's its purpose? What does it look like? If it's not too expensive I'll just replace it too. It's probably been in service 29 years.
 
From what I'm reading, I think it's as simple as some exposed sensor or something down low that gets splashed from the tires. Hosing from above probably doesn't affect it. If you want to test this, go to a car wash that does underbody wash. You might get stuck though.
 
Changed the gas cap, and even though it's been raining here recently, it still starts and runs smooth as butter.

Problem solved! Thanks all.
 
thanks for the update, glad to hear you got it fixed
 
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